expanding universe

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longload | 30 Aug 2008 - 11:42pm

Is the universe expanding at a constant rate? Or is the rate of expansion slowing down? Has the current rate (speed) of expansion been determined?

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malelongload | 30 August 2008 - 11:49pm

This might be a dumb question, but WHAT is expanding? I think it is all the other stars / suns are moviving away from us? But we keep a relatively similar distance to our own sun and the other plants?


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maleAnicka_ | 31 August 2008 - 1:46am

The expansion of the universe is accelerating, contrary to what used to be thought. This gave birth to what is now called "dark energy", an unknown energy which sustains this acceleration.


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maleAnicka_ | 31 August 2008 - 1:52am

longload wrote:
This might be a dumb question, but WHAT is expanding? I think it is all the other stars / suns are moviving away from us? But we keep a relatively similar distance to our own sun and the other plants?

No, there's nothing special about us. It's the whole universe that is expanding. The typical analogy is with a baloon with dots on it that represent the galaxies. As you blow into the baloon it expands, and the dots expand with it, though there's not one center around which the expansion occurs.


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maleVBC555 | 31 August 2008 - 1:53am

Our solar system contains the sun, planets, moons, asteroids and comets. A galaxy contains the stars, like our sun, and the afore mentioned material as well as dust, gases, black holes and some unique stuff called dark matter. Our galaxy, the Milky Way, contains 200 to 400 billion stars. It is the galaxies that are moving away from each other. Our galaxy is moving away from other galaxies at about 600 km per second. The distant galaxies appear to be accelerating even faster up to 1000 km per second.


Given the size of our galaxy, and it is not a big one some are up to a trillion star, multiply it by the estimate of 100 billion galaxies to get an idea of how many stars are out there.


The gravitational pull of the sun’s gravity is very close to us and it keeps us in orbit. Our solar system acts like a family and we all stay in relative place in the bigger mass of the Milky Way. The distance between the galaxies is great so the gravitational pull is weak. Gravity works on the inverse square formula or: 1 divided by the distance times distance. Light uses the same formula.

If you have a light bulb and you measure its brightness at one meter and compare it to ten meters, it is a hundredth as bright at ten meters.


This is a simplified annotated explanation.


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malelongload | 31 August 2008 - 1:57am

@Anicka... thanks, but I wasn't meaning to say that we are special..... So, is it correct then that the sunand planets and everything in space is moving further from each other?


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maleAnicka_ | 31 August 2008 - 2:04am

@longload. It's the galaxies which are moving further from each other, not the solar systems. The matter inside galaxies keeps the stars in them from moving away, through its gravitational pull, and the gravity of the stars keep their planets orbiting around them.


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malelongload | 31 August 2008 - 2:05am

VBC555- So, we are remaining relatively close to the same distance all the time to our sun and planets? (i do understand our distance from the sun varies with our orbit)


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malelongload | 31 August 2008 - 2:07am

@Anicka - ok thanks... I think I get it now


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maleAnicka_ | 31 August 2008 - 2:10am

@longload. You're welcome Smile


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malemicha65 | 31 August 2008 - 10:53am

I dont think the scientists are sure about it,some say it is expanding some say on the contrary it will diminish.

maleM. | 31 August 2008 - 12:11pm

Check out CBS's 'Stephen Hawkings Univers' series. You'll get the answers to the expansion question.

maleM. | 31 August 2008 - 12:12pm

sorry it's PBS not CBS.

malepietro della | 1 September 2008 - 11:30am

Longload"Our orbit round the sun is not a perfect cirle so yes there are variations ,think elliptical....

maleAngelete | 1 September 2008 - 12:26pm

Well i saw in a documentary that it is not only expanding. Sometime in the future according to the scientists its gonna contract and become one big thing again, like the one producing the big bang. What a cool question, i'm gonna find out Smile


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maledeng | 1 September 2008 - 3:22pm

Thing is that they only think they know. or they don't know. There seem to be many theories on it.
Whatever... the universe is unlikely to come to its end tomorrow. Possibly in a few zillion years, but I don't think I'll be around then. And if I am, then I hope I have my camera with me.


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maleWomble | 1 September 2008 - 3:28pm

I’m sure I’ll loose much needed sleep agonising over the cosmos, its all relative to me anyway…..


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malelongload | 1 September 2008 - 7:03pm

Further questions.... Does this expanding universe have its begginning with the big bang? Did matter, time and energy already exist? And how can we determine when this happened? or, can we determine that if we don't know where the furthest gallery is?


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maleAnicka_ | 1 September 2008 - 8:38pm

Yes, the expanding universe was born with the big bang. At the beginning it was all energy, but as the universe expanded and cooled, particles, matter and forces took shape. Time is one of the dimensions of this universe. It happened about 13 billion years ago.


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malelongload | 1 September 2008 - 10:23pm

I'm being lazy...I likely could look this info up easy enough... But I'm just trying to figure, is 13 billion years enough? I'm trying to rationalize that with 555's answer above regarding the size aqnd vastness


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maleAnicka_ | 1 September 2008 - 10:51pm

Yes, about 13 bilion years old (betwen 13 and 14) is the age of the universe.


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maleAngelete | 2 September 2008 - 2:08am

Amazing!

Well i think at the beginning there was energy and matter, time...we invented the time.


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maleAnicka_ | 2 September 2008 - 2:13am

Time is one of the four dimensions in which we exist, along with the three dimensions of space (though apparently not the only ones in the universe, according to the String Theory). We invented a way of measuring it, based on the Earth's motions, but it exists by itself.


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