Darwinism is the way to go. Some nations and groups simply cannot survive on their own. These groups either need to join with stronger groups or they will perish. Take some nations of Africa and Central and South America, only a few a able to sustain the types of economies necessary to survive. Cental America really needs to be one country but the politicals and archaic national sentiments will never let it happen.

History proves that any largely Catholic Spanish speaking country is destined to poverty and much of the same about the Islam countries other than the oil rich ones. How can be there be cooperation? Of the top twenty countries economically, 19 use a Germanic language. All Germanic language countries are in the top twenty. Cooperation only means that the countries that are productive have to share their resources with the unproductive ones without getting anything in return. Not a very encouraging scenario.

I think, that Capitalism and the thirst for greater knowledge and power are innate in the human condition.

Religion, sociology and greater good will never prevail, throughout history they have hindered progress, but ulimately what we are is perhaps what we despise, but this creates wealth, knowledge and aspiration istself. How can be deny that. It is almost destiny.

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It is hard. But we're humans. We are supposed to have evolved apart from animals. Why dont we take advantage of that and try, little by little, to change things? is that difficult to think about it?

I remember being "surrounded by zombies" but of course, zombies always think like this, like nothing can be done to change things, so they keep the vicious circle going on. Dunno if you've realized sometimes that things are simpler than they look. If you stick to the vicious circle, of course you'll find hard to get rid of it. What if you get really tired of being under these conditions all the time? Call me hippie, kumbaya, like some other said, whatever...if a shoe makes a blister in my foot, i change it

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I understand. So do you think that progress and wellness can only be achieved having cold blood and ambition? And talking about national sentiments, where do you leave US nationalism? Do you think, this never let the US to be where they are right now?

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Cooperation in the way of organization. Germans, for instance, are very organized so there they are, the top in europe. But, booooy, you wonder why germans like it here so much that they come over and over, to spain. the same for french, dutch, etc...and they even move to spain. Maybe those are the defective ones?

I hope you saw the video. What i wanted to say in this topic specifically is that we, in south america, can do it. The kind of cooperation you talk about would be trade, and of course, is like nobody wants to lose in trading. But i mean, there's enough resources in south america to make stuff. We can be better without US or european patronizing influence, no matter how hard it can be, there's the will and also the resources; that there should be also people within the States that wants to make some changes to the system they have and so on, basically because the look of the path the world is taking, doesn't look any brighter dont you think? That is gonna take time? sure it will, but is gonna take less time if world powers doesnt bother.

PD: i say WE in south america, because i come from there.

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We should fight this disgusting supremacist, racist fairy tale by all costs. This sick ideology shaped Nazism and similar movements, it's time to put an end to it. The sooner the better...

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What happens to nations that cannot survive on their own. They are propped up artifically for decades by the IMF and aid and still are not able to sustain a livable economic situation for their citizens. If they forget the nationalism and join with richer countries, then who loses? Only the nationalists, everyone else gains.

what exactly is racist about saying that countries that are too weak to survive as nations should not be propped up by other nations and world orgainizations. There are, for example, Island nations in the Carrabean, that even with tourism can never survive without aid from other countries. Why not join with other nations instead.

Go for it. If South America can make it without financial assistance from the USA and other countries, I can only say it is about time.

This is just one annotation apart from the topic (but in a way related to what you say) Have you ever heard about something called the AMERO? When you said this of countries joinin' reminded me of that. This was supposed to be an invention of the central bank of the US to join Canada's Mexico and US money and borders, to make one "big nation" like in europe, where you would use the same currency...i wonder if you heard about this.

Ok, and in the other hand, you named IMF. Well, i know what IMF has done with the countries. My country, Venezuela, was embeded into a large external debt because its first governors, pro-yankees by the way, always accepted the regulations and were always asking for money to the IMF to fill their pockets. So far is not, their guilt, but hey, it was very convenient to have venezuela under such a debt, of course, because of the oil and because this was the perfect excuse for the gringos to be within venezuela all the time, you know like a virus. Thank go, chavez ended with this, and put them into place. I recommend you watching all the documentary, what happened in venezuela never happened in any other country where the CIA set their masterplan to overthrow governments. People wanted chavez, because people were tired of always the same story of being poor under the hands of foreigners. They still poor, but now is different, the country is heading to improvement, but this takes a lot of time to be in a good position. As i said, we can do it, its just a matter of cooperation. This can be done in any country of south america. it only takes time.

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I agree with this. I mean, i particularly dont feel like cattle. The world has changed way too much since Darwin. I bet you Darwin never imagined there could be a globalization process, for instance. We got information, and we can know how to deal with things and also what things should NOT be done. Like marxism cant be applied, darwinism would be in the same place. i dont think it has something to do with humans. I'd also like to add that many south american nations haven't overcome crisis, becase: 1 they dont completely know how to progress and 2 too much US influence wanting to leave them in diapers for the US to be more easy to take advantage of them.

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Seems some here suffer from a massive inferiority complex. In this case...it seems quite well deserved.

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Seems some here suffer of an extra load of annoying stupidity impossible to cure...deserving to be simply ignored.

I highly recommend watching the documentary first and then talk, the suggestion should be quite clear, even for the dumb.

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Well, with the word nazism in that commentary i understood that applying Darwin theories to talk about this, is like thinking we are like animals and we behave like them. You know, this is why i said i didn't feel like cattle, maybe then i infered wrong on Sky's comment. And also mate, seriously, i wish had no complaints about the US because you should also have good things, but lemme tell you i've witnessed with my own eyes the way things went wrong in Venezuela in the riots of the 2002 because there were small sabotage groups, making people angrier in the march and sending them to an absurd battlefield in the middle of the streets. And it is proven that the CIA is behind this, it is proven! and the CIA is not from mexico, sweden, india, china, NO, CIA is from the gringos, so you got something evil inside you should check pal.
Also, is evident they don't want us to progress either, why? our oil is very close to you...a self-controlled venezuela is not convenient for the US interests...
If your good, then prove it and dont let bad reputation spread all over the world, people realizes about things

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What is this stuff about cattle? Social Darwinism is a legimate political theory. Obviously, if something is about your head, you label it racist. Perhaps I forget that some MF members are not university educated sometimes and mention things that they do not understand. You guys need to do some serious study and stop spouting so much hype.

To know my feelings i dont need any study. If i feel bad i say it. If this this is too much ignorance for your scholar status, you know you have plenty lot of channels to discuss advanced issues, or maybe start your own blog! If you see ingorant people, the first thing an intellectual do is to understand their ignorance, then talks. Maybe i cant simply explain myself in a proper way since english is not even my mother tongue, but i try to do my best.

We say being cattle, to this way of living when you follow everywhere the leader without criticising it. When you speak about Darwin form your scholar point of view i think of this...which i obviously dont seem to understand, and you get misunderstood. Then you should be more clear, instead of showing off so much knowledge. If you wanna share, tell me a little bit about this political branch of Darwin.

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The point is that you do not open a topic for discussion and then label as racist people who do not agree with you or advance theories that you do not comprehend.

Social Darwinism simply means that it is unnateral for any country that cannot exist without massive amounts of aid from richer countries to continue to exist. Such aid cannot last forever and sooner or later those countries are either going to have to get their act together or form unions with others to create a stronger economy. The only people who resist such a philosopy are the nationals and the racists.

Wrong. I didn not do that. I opened the topic for other reason as you can read in the heading. Somebody said something about racism, and i agreed because to some extent, the darwinist idea you were handling SOUNDED to me like that. I try to read and understand as much as i can every comment posted. And i also think everybody should have a chance to succeed in this "world of winners" don't you think? even if it takes more time

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Exactly. i dont discuss that. but you said something important: Such aid cannot last forever and sooner or later those countries are either going to have to get their act together or form unions with others to create a stronger economy.

And this is what we're trying to do in south america without the US aid, no matter how clumsy we are. But i also would like to add something to this fact. You, for instance, are aware that developed countries "aid". Ok, so let's say US has aided south america. Why did we lived opressed so much time then? and being so poor, what can of aid is that? You know what i seriously think? i dont think there's some kind of aid anywhere, its all lies

You'd say its our own fault being poor. Yeah, and then i recommend you again to watch the whole video in the link i posted. Living in Venezuela made me realize what kind of "aid" we were receiving

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Sure everyone deserves a shot at making it big. How long is the question. Your native land is not only oil and mineral rich but rich in other natural resources and should be able to make it just fine if the corruption ends. It has more wealth per capita than the US or most European countries if invested properly. Interestingly, most SA countries are older than the US in terms of settlement though they did not break away from from the colonial powers until later. The freedom fighters Bolivar and San Martine evisioned a confederation of countries such as the US states. Their plan made sense but the nationalists and power hungry generals had their way. Can countries like Bolivia and Paraquay really become economically successfull as independent countries? Neither even has a seaport though Paraquay can bring goods in by la Plata from the sea. My favorite SA nation Uruguay seems in good shape comparatively but Paraquay truthfully would do better as province of Uruguay, Brazil or Argentina but the Paraquay nationals want to keep their power.

Yes. Like all the european countries try to keep their own powers. And i think we're heading now to the right way. Since the point here was to tell you all a kind of special moment has arrived for SA to cooperate among themselves and make things better. I just wonder what would be the reaction of the US about all this, since there are a lot of economical interests here. I think we should keep an eye on this, because the US wont let these things happen so easily...

You know, from what i have lived and witnessed in Venezuela, there's a lot of people blinded by the glam coming from up north, and all the good things you have. We all know a country has always its goods and bads. But these people is a particularly stupid group in the society, not only because they think US rocks, but because they dont have a minimum love for their own country. The problem is not chavez, the problem is their own and the corruption learned in the past that hides very deep in every citizen's mind.
I say all of this because here's when the US comes to scene when this particular group gets support from the foreigner to interfere in the natural process of the internal changes, as a little example, we've seen how many of the supporters of the overthrow of Chavez, were allowed to hide in miami or washington, let alone the US proven direct help to sabotagers in the very "batlleground". And this my all-time simple and litlle question, why is the US so often behind the scenes? Someone said "because we got the balls to go and help" XD that made me laugh so much!

So...the documentary is nice, i repeat, i dont care about chavez at all...but i do care about this newborn feeling of fairness SA (and some other countries in the world) is asking for. I dont know how long is it gonna last, but what country developed itself in a couple of years? what about a whole continent? will we be having the "aid" of the US to "help" us develop?
There's a lot of interesting historical facts around this issue i'd like to comment in future topics about this, its very interesting and we're living the changes.

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As long as countries accept aid, the countries giving the aid are going to have a say in things. Man up and reject the aid and gain the respect of other countries.