If the Bible is the Word of God...
How can you explain the contradictions of the Bible?
Those who are looking for contradictions may therefore say, “See—the Bible is full of mistakes!” and choose to reject it entirely as being untrustworthy.
However, those who trust God have no problem harmonizing the Gospels.
The godly base their confidence on two truths: 1) “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16); and 2) an elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included seeming contradictions in His Word to “snare” the proud.
He has “hidden” things from the “wise and prudent” and “revealed them to babes” (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).
If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and obey the gospel, and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.
This incredible principle is clearly illustrated in the account of the capture of Zedekiah, king of Judah. Jeremiah the prophet told Zedekiah that God would judge him. He was informed that he would be “delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon” (Jeremiah 32:4).
This is confirmed in Jeremiah 39:5-7 where we are told that he was captured and brought to King Nebuchadnezzar, then they “bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon.”
However, in Ezekiel 12:13, God Himself warned, “I will bring him to Babylon …yet he shall not see it, though he shall die there” (emphasis added). Here is material to build a case against the Bible! It is an obvious mistake.
Three Bible verses say that the king would go to Babylon, and yet the Bible in another place says that he would not see Babylon. How can someone be taken somewhere and not see it? It makes no sense at all—unless Zedekiah was blinded.
And that is precisely what happened. Zedekiah saw Nebuchadnezzar face to face, saw his sons killed before his eyes, then “the king of Babylon… put out Zedekiah's eyes” before taking him to Babylon (Jeremiah 39:6,7).
This is the underlying principle behind the many “contradictions” of Holy Scripture (such as how many horses David had, who was the first to arrive at the tomb after the resurrection of Jesus, etc.).
God has turned the tables on proud, arrogant, self-righteous man. When he proudly stands outside of the kingdom of God, and seeks to justify his sinfulness through evidence he thinks discredits the Bible, he doesn't realize that God has simply lowered the door of life, so that only those who are prepared to exercise faith, and bow in humility may enter.
It is interesting to note that the seeming contradictions in the four Gospels attest to the fact that there was no corroboration between the writers.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-comfort/contradictions-bible.html
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I found it interesting that the website refers to these as “supposed contradictions” and wants people to believe it is part of the grand plan. The best part is the science section explaining that dinosaurs are about 2,000 BC, bloody hilarious. Noah’s ark and the flood are equally amusing. Using science to help explain the bible cannot happen without sophisms and great leaps of faith, non sequiturs and post hoc ergo proctor hoc fallacies
The website really is quite funny.
This only proves that the bible cannot be taken literally.
Thanks for giving me a good laugh to start my day.
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When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. Robert M. Pirsig Evolve!
@Garylynn..haven't you said you were not religious?
Let's just try a little exercise...
you start by telling a little story and you in turn whisper it around the room to..uh..20 or so different people..
ok..you see where that is going....
Even in real time with no time elapsing and no one having a self serving agenda... and no siphoning through word of mouth without being recorded..in the here and now..
you'd still be hard pressed to have the story come out in it's original form intact.
Hell, you'd be hard pressed to have one single sentence not be butchered.
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I am of the Christian Faith. 'Religion', to me, only gives reasons to argue & a division of the peoples. And some people can't comprehend the difference, I love my Savior & Fear my Creator. It's as simple as that. The message here is quite clear enough, don't miss your boat, Guys.
The element of common sense comes into play when it comes to the dinosaurs. They were destroyed before humans came along, they provide our fuel. And the belief is that humans have been around for 10-12,000 years.
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I am of the Christian Faith. 'Religion', to me, only gives reasons to argue & a division of the peoples. And some people can't comprehend the difference, I love my Savior & Fear my Creator. It's as simple as that. The message here is quite clear enough, don't miss your boat, Guys.
As far as evidence goes, there is no boat to miss.
The element of common sense comes into play when it comes to the dinosaurs. They were destroyed before humans came along, they provide our fuel. And the belief is that humans have been around for 10-12,000 years.
Therefore your belief contradicts hard evidence.
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@shakattack.. I said 'Humans', not apes.
Which is why I repeat that your belief contradicts hard evidence...
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Those first 3 days,unestimable length,coal ,diamonds.oil,my lil chinese buddy,gwan along,,the world has been around a long time..I havent been to the zoo lately,me an the ANCESTORS aint close.Haha Haahahahaahah.
The element of common sense comes into play when it comes to the dinosaurs. They were destroyed before humans came along, they provide our fuel. And the belief is that humans have been around for 10-12,000 years.
Well Gary you are arguing against your own evidence at the website you told us to go to. Here is what it says about dinosaurs.
“After all, God tells us that He created all the land animals on the 6th day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.”
It contradicts what you are saying
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. Robert M. Pirsig Evolve!
The element of common sense comes into play when it comes to the dinosaurs. They were destroyed before humans came along, they provide our fuel. And the belief is that humans have been around for 10-12,000 years.
Well Gary you are arguing against your own evidence at the website you told us to go to. Here is what it says about dinosaurs.
“After all, God tells us that He created all the land animals on the 6th day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.”
It contradicts what you are saying
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I pulled my point from the website, I never said I agree with all of it.
You send us there. Are we supposed to be mind readers?
Remember that element of common sense?
Common sense and religion is an oxymoron. Nothing you stated so far has led me to believe that is the bases for your argument.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. Robert M. Pirsig Evolve!
I pulled my point from the website, I never said I agree with all of it.
You send us there. Are we supposed to be mind readers?
Remember that element of common sense?
Common sense and religion is an oxymoron. Nothing you stated so far has led me to believe that is the bases for your argument.
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Common sense & Faith are not contradictions. No one 'sent' you anywhere, and the argument is your hobbie.
Common sense is the opposite of faith.
Common sense will show you that life is never dependent on the so-called word of God and nature never makes any exception for anybody. Nature is neutral.
Common sense will tell you that life is all about having experiences, making mistakes and learning. NOBODY is ever born a sinner or becomes one. Sin is a stupid tool to make stupid people believe that a stupid God will condemn and punish you for making simple human errors of judgement.
Common sense will also tell you that if God was really intelligent he can very easily create a book which is perfect and without any contradictions. How many books have you read that were written by humans that had so many contradictions?
Obviously humans have more intelligence and creativity that is why they can write books far superior and worthy of reading than the bible.
Faith means you do not know anything of your own. It is all based on borrowed knowledge and speculations. It is based on certain conditionings coming from outside sources.
Common sense grows and expands. Faith remains dead and stale.
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
Common sense & Faith are not contradictions. No one 'sent' you anywhere, and the argument is your hobbie.
Common sense is the opposite of faith.
Common sense will show you that life is never dependent on the so-called word of God and nature never makes any exception for anybody. Nature is neutral.
Common sense will tell you that life is all about having experiences, making mistakes and learning. NOBODY is ever born a sinner or becomes one. Sin is a stupid tool to make stupid people believe that a stupid God will condemn and punish you for making simple human errors of judgement.
Common sense will also tell you that if God was really intelligent he can very easily create a book which is perfect and without any contradictions. How many books have you read that were written by humans that had so many contradictions?
Obviously humans have more intelligence and creativity that is why they can write books far superior and worthy of reading than the bible.
Faith means you do not know anything of your own. It is all based on borrowed knowledge and speculations. It is based on certain conditionings coming from outside sources.
Common sense grows and expands. Faith remains dead and stale.
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
Common sense & Faith are not contradictions. No one 'sent' you anywhere, and the argument is your hobbie.
Common sense is the opposite of faith.
Common sense will show you that life is never dependent on the so-called word of God and nature never makes any exception for anybody. Nature is neutral.
Common sense will tell you that life is all about having experiences, making mistakes and learning. NOBODY is ever born a sinner or becomes one. Sin is a stupid tool to make stupid people believe that a stupid God will condemn and punish you for making simple human errors of judgement.
Common sense will also tell you that if God was really intelligent he can very easily create a book which is perfect and without any contradictions. How many books have you read that were written by humans that had so many contradictions?
Obviously humans have more intelligence and creativity that is why they can write books far superior and worthy of reading than the bible.
Faith means you do not know anything of your own. It is all based on borrowed knowledge and speculations. It is based on certain conditionings coming from outside sources.
Common sense grows and expands. Faith remains dead and stale.
Hmmmm, I see the word stupid bantered about quite frequently here. Tell me something why do you have the impression that people who DO believe are not intelligent.
Is murder not a sin? Is rape not a sin? When a child gets molested, is that not a sin? What exactly is your idea of a sin?
What you have written may be offensive to those of us who do believe that God does exist, and that the bible provides guidance for the same.
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Hmmmm, I see the word stupid bantered about quite frequently here. Tell me something why do you have the impression that people who DO believe are not intelligent.
Is murder not a sin? Is rape not a sin? When a child gets molested, is that not a sin? What exactly is your idea of a sin?
What you have written may be offensive to those of us who do believe that God does exist, and that the bible provides guidance for the same.
Is murder not a sin? Is rape not a sin? When a child gets molested, is that not a sin? What exactly is your idea of a sin?
What you have written may be offensive to those of us who do believe that God does exist, and that the bible provides guidance for the same.
Tell me how believing in what somebody else has said without knowing on your own and experiencing the truth is an intelligent thing? How is dependence on borrowed knowledge an intelligent thing? How is believing in a God who kills, condemns, judges and punishes without thinking if the punishment fits the crime, an intelligent God? How is believing in a book that is full of contradictions, fairytales and fables an intelligent thing to do?
Murder, rape and other henious crimes is NOT a sin, they are simply mistakes made my humans who do not have the proper judgement or capabilities to do otherwise. This does not mean that those people should be sent to hell or their whole city destroyed by some angry, vengeful and impatient God. It also does not mean that they should receive Jesus as a saviour, worship God and read the bible. It may change them a little bit but no inner transformation will happen. You have to understand the difference between change and trnsformation.
Crimes should receive their just punishment. Many of the criminals can be treated with proper medications and doctor's guidance but humans prefer to hang them or send them to the electric chair.
Instead of condemning people and labeling them, why not be more humanistic, compassionate and loving towards them? Why not find more creative and effective measures to TRANSFORM the human so that he will never even think of committing a crime? Isn't this easier than killing them? How is killing a killer an intelligent thing to do? Both are in the same boat.
How is God intelligent if he kills those who kill and in many cases (such as the plagues) includes innocent children and innocent people in his vengence against one particular person?
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
Contradictions? There aren't any!! Or at least no one here at MF could give me one solid example, when we discussed this previous. Instead many weak examples were given that were easy to dismiss. It was interesting that so many were so anxious to discredit the Bible that they used weak arguments that fell apart with just the slightest investigation.
And to be fair, there were a few interesting points made. But in the end, there wasn't one credible contradiction. I'm not interested in doing the arguements again, however I will discuss in a PM if you are interested.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.
Common sense & Faith are not contradictions.
Common sense does not appear to be common and faith requires nothing other than a belief without proof.
No one 'sent' you anywhere,
If you put a website address at the bottom of your post for reference people will look.
and the argument is your hobbie.
Not even close.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. Robert M. Pirsig Evolve!
That happened before God designed man & replinished the earth with animals as we know them today.
Since man was created on the sixth day does this mean Genesis is out to lunch too?
I never said there was no life before God's current design.
How many designs did he have?
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. Robert M. Pirsig Evolve!
Hmmmm, I see the word stupid bantered about quite frequently here. Tell me something why do you have the impression that people who DO believe are not intelligent.
Is murder not a sin? Is rape not a sin? When a child gets molested, is that not a sin? What exactly is your idea of a sin?
What you have written may be offensive to those of us who do believe that God does exist, and that the bible provides guidance for the same.
Is murder not a sin? Is rape not a sin? When a child gets molested, is that not a sin? What exactly is your idea of a sin?
What you have written may be offensive to those of us who do believe that God does exist, and that the bible provides guidance for the same.
Tell me how believing in what somebody else has said without knowing on your own and experiencing the truth is an intelligent thing? How is dependence on borrowed knowledge an intelligent thing? How is believing in a God who kills, condemns, judges and punishes without thinking if the punishment fits the crime, an intelligent God? How is believing in a book that is full of contradictions, fairytales and fables an intelligent thing to do?
Murder, rape and other henious crimes is NOT a sin, they are simply mistakes made my humans who do not have the proper judgement or capabilities to do otherwise. This does not mean that those people should be sent to hell or their whole city destroyed by some angry, vengeful and impatient God. It also does not mean that they should receive Jesus as a saviour, worship God and read the bible. It may change them a little bit but no inner transformation will happen. You have to understand the difference between change and trnsformation.
Crimes should receive their just punishment. Many of the criminals can be treated with proper medications and doctor's guidance but humans prefer to hang them or send them to the electric chair.
Instead of condemning people and labeling them, why not be more humanistic, compassionate and loving towards them? Why not find more creative and effective measures to TRANSFORM the human so that he will never even think of committing a crime? Isn't this easier than killing them? How is killing a killer an intelligent thing to do? Both are in the same boat.
How is God intelligent if he kills those who kill and in many cases (such as the plagues) includes innocent children and innocent people in his vengence against one particular person?
Even if one is to believe in what you are saying, respect still needs to be given to those who do believe in what you may detest or deny.
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Its not whether you get knocked down. Its whether you get up again.
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Even if one is to believe in what you are saying, respect still needs to be given to those who do believe in what you may detest or deny.
If you have read my previous posts, I never tell anyone to believe me. It is better to doubt and be open so that at least you can be in a position to receive the new. Unless it is your own understanding you should not believe anything.....not even me!.
It is not possible to detest or deny something that you know does not exist and is just a mind-creation. You can believe what you want but my own understanding is that the deities are created by the mind of man because of some need, fear or lack of ability to live free.
My way of respect is to share what I know and understand. It is not respect to console someone and give him false hopes. It is not respect to accept man's lowering of himself and limiting himself in the name of some Sky-God. Respect would be to remind people of their greatness, freedom and the possibilites that lie hidden within them, yet undiscovered.
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
Not to harp on, but you still are saying that people who believe, lack intelligence? That was my original question, and the fact that there is sin, except maybe you are putting a different definition to it? A sin IS an offence, misdeed,depravity, and so on.... unless you have something to add? (I am sure you do)
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Its not whether you get knocked down. Its whether you get up again.
-Vince Lombardi
Sky-God, indeed..
You sure you don't mean the dirt god..or the flower god...the holy smoke god..maybe the jiminy cricket god?
For me..condescension contradicts the whole notion of spirituality.
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The mind seeks and the spirit yearns.
But the heart knows what the heart knows.
Not to harp on, but you still are saying that people who believe, lack intelligence? That was my original question, and the fact that there is sin, except maybe you are putting a different definition to it? A sin IS an offence, misdeed,depravity, and so on.... unless you have something to add? (I am sure you do) :D
Okay, Okay, you win...you tempted me to add something 
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The topic here is about the bible being the word of God and the question is if the bible contains contradictions or not. Many, many times a lot of people including myself have mentioned the contradictions and why the bible is not the word of God. We have given countless examples and reasons.
Not a single person has been able to present a convincing reason why there is a God, why the bible is God's word and why the contradictions are not true. The only reason they can ever come up with is: "We believe it" or "We have faith that it is true".
I have already mentioned why belief is a lack of intelligence. Read my post again.
I have also mentioned that people make mistakes. Sin is a device created by religions to abuse and take advantage of man. Sin is a device so that you will live in fear and guilt and become dependent on some God, priest, preacher, minister and scriptures.
Look up the word "sin", it simply means "missing the mark". It does not mean anything else. When you continue to live unconsciously you are "missing the mark" of knowing your possibilities.
The only "sin" is believing that you are a sinner according to some God's eyes and not worthy of knowing yourself on your own. The only "sin" is to believe that you need some saviour just because you think that your common human failings and mistakes will put you in the hands of a judgemental deity. Sin is a three-letter dirty word that has caused many to live in bondage and dependence.
What you term as "offence, misdeed,depravity, etc" is just a human invention. Good and Bad depend on the state of man's consciousness. Something that is good for one may be bad for another. Nothing is offensive or a misdeed until and unless somebody (yourself or another) decides it is so.
How come you do not notice all the offence, misdeed, depravity and stupid things God has done and is mentioned in detail in both the Old and New Testaments? These are the offensive stuff that proves that the bible is not a "holy" book and contradicts the so-called loving nature of God. It also shows why it is a lack of intelligence to believe that such a God is worthy to be even considered for anything.
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
Sky-God, indeed..
You sure you don't mean the dirt god..or the flower god...the holy smoke god..maybe the jiminy cricket god?
For me..condescension contradicts the whole notion of spirituality.
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The mind seeks and the spirit yearns.
But the heart knows what the heart knows.
If the label makes them happy, let them have it.
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Its not whether you get knocked down. Its whether you get up again.
-Vince Lombardi
Mr. One Guy: have you looked in the dictionary, under the word sin? Tell me what you find there. Oh, and in answer to your other question, I would guess there must be many people running around with no intelligence. Ooops, I think I am one of those people! 
Now please try not to judge me too harshly!
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Its not whether you get knocked down. Its whether you get up again.
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It also shows why it is a lack of intelligence to believe that such a God is worthy to be even considered for anything.
Obviously not paying close enough attention, have a nice swim, ONE.
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The dictionary was invented many years later. The original meaning of the word is what I have said.
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
Hmmm, all I can say is: Ha-hahahahahahahahahaha........
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