Has any country gotten it right when it comes to immigration

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ReturnofSuperKr... | 19 Jul 2008 - 1:21am

Such a fuss over those who believe immigrants should integrate into a society on their own and learn the language and adapt and those on the other side of the coin who believe a country should welcome them with open arms and provide welfare and other such facilities. But which works? I'd go for the former, but of course takes time. Which countries have done real well when it comes to integrating immigrants? And what policies did they use to enhance this?

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femalechana_batata | 19 July 2008 - 4:31am
Topic moved - given reason:

All really excellent questions you are asking here...but why General channel?

It will be interesting to see where these go.


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maleSkyPiercer | 1 September 2008 - 11:13pm

Yours...

The United States Of America. Maybe because it was initially a country built by immigrants from all ethnicities. Maybe because things like individual rights, diversity, freedom of thinking & religions are sacred principles in the American constitution...Things may not be perfect but I don't know any country who did better than USA when it comes to immigration.
A new immigrant (legal or not) comes to America each 45 seconds ! Oooh! The American way of life and culture isn't threatened by this massive arrival, quite the contrary it' getting stronger with the time and gain new territories all around the world. It's in the fact one of the reasons behind the economical development : Asian & African scientists, students, Latino cheap labor, athletes...The profiles are very diverse.

Canada isn't bad either : second place for sure. Smile


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malemaranello | 1 September 2008 - 11:46pm

It depends which way you want to look at it. Look at North Korea.


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malepietro della | 2 September 2008 - 3:15am

Regarding immigration the israeli position is very pro,bearing in mind of course thst the immigrants are our fellow jews..Just from behind the iron cuurtain alone ,over iooo,ooo,a huge strain on resources but we want them..this is what we did,fistly we put them in every vacant apartment that could be found irrespective of where it was,get rooves over their heads...Then at state expense ,back to school,to learn an intensive course in hebrew,this is partiularly important from the point of integrating them into the workforce,get them earning money,having money which THEY earned..Next on the agenda,russian language tv,newspapers they already had..the russians are very well educated ,but without the language skills,they are blind so they take a couple of jobs ,and they don't care what it is and they go to nightschool,,school is on the state..All in all if you turn a blind eye to the excessive drinking from which some of them suffer,,they are integrating smoothly...It's different for american immigrants,,mosy of them arrive with sufficient money to make their own ways,mid thirties ,both husband and wife with degrees,AND,,the language skills..

maleWomble | 2 September 2008 - 5:45am

Australia is about 75% there….


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malejoby | 2 September 2008 - 11:07am

The relationship with the US and its immigrants has really changed in the past few decades. For a century or more, people came to the USA because they were excited about this strange new land and wanted to become an American. They worked hard and for the most part made it on their own and did not expect to do it otherwise. They valued the traditions of their native lands but were determined to become one of these strange new Americans themselves. Nowadays, the newer ones do not even see a need to for their children to learn English. They seem to expect the government to do every thing for them yet seem to reject the basic premise of assimilation. This is the situation with the Hispanics mostly. Other groups are more thankful and work hard to assimiate and do well in the new country. In situations that occurred such as WWII, these Italian, German, Irish, Russian, Japanese Americans, etc. had no doubts about where their lovalites lay. I wonder how many of the new breed would fight against their native lands?

malemelville | 5 September 2008 - 3:32pm

Although they really messed good before, it looks like Denmark is on the right track now.

femaleHorizon | 5 September 2008 - 4:20pm

melville wrote:
Although they really messed good before, it looks like Denmark is on the right track now.

And what makes you think that?

malepietro della | 5 September 2008 - 8:02pm

what makes him think that???is what you think...horizen who will decide who will be your husband??what rights will he grant you,and yet you defend the continuation of this system.....

femaleHorizon | 5 September 2008 - 8:18pm

pietro della wrote:
what makes him think that???is what you think...horizen who will decide who will be your husband??what rights will he grant you,and yet you defend the continuation of this system.....

sorry but im on the edge to laugh myself to death (no wishes please)
i just asked a question to an statement, to know why he think's that denmark has done it well.. there's nothing more into it hablo, don't be so paranoid.. Wink

malepietro della | 6 September 2008 - 1:10am

oh i lived 28 years among you ,,,,you talk big now!

maleSkyPiercer | 6 September 2008 - 1:38am

pietro della wrote:
oh i lived 28 years among you ,,,,you talk big now!

Among whom ? Among Turks ?


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malepietro della | 6 September 2008 - 5:48am

nice try sky,irrespective of race a moslem is guided by the koran so she can expect the same from mehmet that she will get from ahmad..good luck to her,fahimt??hahahahahahah

femaleHorizon | 6 September 2008 - 10:29am

SkyPiercer wrote:
pietro della wrote:
oh i lived 28 years among you ,,,,you talk big now!

Among whom ? Among Turks ?


i think he means danes.. you know that denmark is the neightbour to israel, right?

femaleHorizon | 6 September 2008 - 10:37am

pietro della wrote:
nice try sky,irrespective of race a moslem is guided by the koran so she can expect the same from mehmet that she will get from ahmad..good luck to her,fahimt??hahahahahahah

ringe ding ding dang bam i appriciate your good wishes for my luck.. ehm..(hapsur)
but im not being under-rasted or forced down by anybody.. we aren't all as you think we are..and don't compare the turks with your own culture.. ain't my fault or anybody else's that you've had a harsh life..
(btw ahmad is spelled with an E (ahmed)- else it becomes arabic.. you know.. those kind of persons that you don't like)
And please, do not try to twist the topic any futher..

malemelville | 6 September 2008 - 8:52pm

I read the new Danish Law in another topic. It sounds sensible and I think it will help them keep out the undesirables.

maleSkyPiercer | 7 September 2008 - 2:22am

I wonder why the author was so obsessed with this subject. He made 4 or 5 topics basically talking about the same thing...


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maleDagda | 7 September 2008 - 3:54am

It is very saddening when you bash and insult each others faiths for childish brownie points yet fail to address the most importnat conerns on this planet of ours,learn to love people and not waste your energy on greedy hate!


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malejoby | 7 September 2008 - 4:13am

SkyPiercer wrote:
I wonder why the author was so obsessed with this subject. He made 4 or 5 topics basically talking about the same thing...

What's the problem? If the guy in interested in the subject, he naturally will concentrate in this area. We need topics to keep the channels going.

femaleHorizon | 7 September 2008 - 9:53am

melville wrote:
I read the new Danish Law in another topic. It sounds sensible and I think it will help them keep out the undesirables.

Allright.

malejoby | 8 September 2008 - 7:58pm

The Danes are historically considered a thrifty, industrous country who are also liberal and herioc. Everyone knows of their bravery during WWII. Although the Muslims in Denmark may have valid concerns, the world has such a high opinion of Danes that they tend to automatically assume the Danes are in the right. Turkey, on the other hand, unfortunately, has a horrible reputation. Therefore, no one gives credibility to the Turks in Denmark who complain about the Danes even though they may in fact have some valid complaints. This must be frustrating, but much of the world considers a Turk in Denmark to be extremely fortunate.

femaleHorizon | 8 September 2008 - 9:18pm

joby wrote:
The Danes are historically considered a thrifty, industrous country who are also liberal and herioc. Everyone knows of their bravery during WWII. Although the Muslims in Denmark may have valid concerns, the world has such a high opinion of Danes that they tend to automatically assume the Danes are in the right. Turkey, on the other hand, unfortunately, has a horrible reputation. Therefore, no one gives credibility to the Turks in Denmark who complain about the Danes even though they may in fact have some valid complaints. This must be frustrating, but much of the world considers a Turk in Denmark to be extremely fortunate.

If i got a dollar for each time YOU brought up bad things about tr - i would become an millionaire.
"Although the Muslims" -where do you know that it's the muslims and not "some of the muslims"?
what im saying doesn't stand for what the other turks over here are saying - only some of them. So if you wanna talk about the bad credits that i gave aginst dk - your allowed- as long as you don't pull the others into it. Cause it was ME and not THEM - who whrote about dk.

And all your talking makes me wondering, have you ever been here in dk?

malejoby | 9 September 2008 - 10:44am

I am speaking what is in the news about protests.

femaleHorizon | 9 September 2008 - 10:48am

joby wrote:
I am speaking what is in the news about protests.

and the protests contains ??
have you or have you not been to denmark ?

malepietro della | 9 September 2008 - 3:41pm

this is probably off topic,but i have been to denmark several times you are only 3 and a bit hours away,she was beautiful beyond belief,,,well then anyway ,,it was in the kungsgarten a chessboard made into the floor..I had never seen this..An ancient veteran took me to the CLEANERS!!!Aaaah but his granddaaughter!. denmark for the danes,close the door to foreigners...

maleEdIsBack | 9 September 2008 - 9:58pm

Horizon wrote:
joby wrote:
The Danes are historically considered a thrifty, industrous country who are also liberal and herioc. Everyone knows of their bravery during WWII. Although the Muslims in Denmark may have valid concerns, the world has such a high opinion of Danes that they tend to automatically assume the Danes are in the right. Turkey, on the other hand, unfortunately, has a horrible reputation. Therefore, no one gives credibility to the Turks in Denmark who complain about the Danes even though they may in fact have some valid complaints. This must be frustrating, but much of the world considers a Turk in Denmark to be extremely fortunate.

If i got a dollar for each time YOU brought up bad things about tr - i would become an millionaire.
"Although the Muslims" -where do you know that it's the muslims and not "some of the muslims"?
what im saying doesn't stand for what the other turks over here are saying - only some of them. So if you wanna talk about the bad credits that i gave aginst dk - your allowed- as long as you don't pull the others into it. Cause it was ME and not THEM - who whrote about dk.

And all your talking makes me wondering, have you ever been here in dk?

You can't seem to grasp the concept of some one having an opinion that is dissimilar to YOURS.

DK sounds very Tom Clancy esque.


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Horizon wrote:

Your english is pretty bad, learn some gramma - then get back.

femaleHorizon | 10 September 2008 - 8:53am

EdIsBack wrote:
You can't seem to grasp the concept of some one having an opinion that is dissimilar to YOURS.

DK sounds very Tom Clancy esque.

hehe

what does the fact of me trying to tell him not to generalize - has to do with me not being able to accept diffrent opinions?

as they say..... it's allways easy to point fingers, as long as the fingers ain't being pointed at you.. Wink

malerubberduck | 17 September 2008 - 10:21am

I think integration is something which has to be done by both sides: The immigrants as well as the people living already there. The first ones have to find a place in society, learn the language etc and the latter ones have to give the immigrants a possibility to do so.

Someone wrote that the USA are a good example for well-done immigration. This is only true for the immigrants themselves. The native people there were killed, imprisoned and stripped off their rights. So that step of immigration was not really well done.


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