What is freedom?
I disagree with the idea that freedom is obedience to the laws of nature.
I do not understand what that means? Can u explain this??
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This topic would be served better in the Religion and Beliefs channel, as the answer pertains to religion. :)
And why is that, if I may ask?
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This topic would be served better in the Religion and Beliefs channel, as the answer pertains to religion. :)
It belongs in this channel.
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Jul 17th 2007
Bryan Johnson
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I would like to offer a definition of what is commonly referred to as a law of nature, or at least a perspective on its meaning and significance. One of my primary motivations for doing science is a fascination with the fact that we can describe things that happen in God’s creation with mathematical equations. Many secular scientists have acknowledged the same fascination, often with the accompanying observation that they really have no explanation for why this should be the case. A common view of these regularities among Christians seems to be that God built the laws of nature into creation at the beginning of time, and that creation is more or less constrained to follow them under normal circumstances. From this perspective, supernatural intervention by the Creator is in a very real sense unnatural, even alien; He chooses at times to break the laws of nature by performing a miracle (which He is of course free to do since He is the one who created them in the first place). I see at least two difficulties with this view. The first is that it presents a view of a God that is essentially diestic for a large portion of our daily experience. When He isn’t supernaturally intervening, the creation is simply running along in the manner in which He wound it up, following the formulas He built into it at the beginning. The second is that it makes the laws of nature an abstraction, as if they had an existence of their own apart from God’s relationship with His creation. But law is necessarily personal - it is a command that is given to be obeyed or disobeyed. Law is meaningless outside of the context of the relationship between law-giver and law-receiver. So a definition that seems to capture some of these ideas would be that “a law of nature is a manifestation of the obedience of creation to God’s sustaining Word”. Using the language of obedience not only highlights the personal nature of the “laws” of nature, it also lines up with the language Scripture uses to describe the relationship between God and His creation. It should be emphasized that creation is always operating in obedience to God’s sustaining Word; the regularities we observe are just a particular example of that fact. As Doug Wilson has pointed out, the wind and the waves were obeying Christ before He commanded them to be still. From this perspective, God isn’t breaking the laws of physics when He performs a miracle; He’s simply speaking a unique command to His creation. The sun goes around the earth because that’s what God is constantly telling it to do; once He told it to stop for awhile, and so it did. This isn’t an attempt to lessen the wonder of miraculous events, but rather to increase our wonder at the events that are occurring around us all the time. And the wonder at being able to find patterns in nature should be directed towards the One in Whom we live and move and have our being.
http://reformingscience.reformedblogs.com/2007/07/17/the-obedience-of-creation/
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What, you can't even express your own opinion using your own words? Like it or not, the "god" factor is not relevant to the discussion of the topic at hand.
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This topic would be served better in the Religion and Beliefs channel, as the answer pertains to religion. :)
It belongs in this channel.
Are you Shaka's echo? 
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What, you can't even express your own opinion using your own words? Like it or not, the "god" factor is not relevant to the discussion of the topic at hand.
That is fine Shaka, but it has relevance for me, unless that of course is a problem for you as well. 
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
OK, back to the topic:
Freedom is another word for nothing left to loose ... (Me and Bobby MCGhee, Janis Joplin)
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I disagree about moving the topic as freedom can pertain to more than just religion.
For me: I have the freedom to believe as I like and no one will come after me for doing or not doing something someone or other thinks I should or shouldn't be. (I mean fanatics from any quarter.)
And from that it means I have the freedom to walk out my front door every day and go where I believe I need to go to get the things done I need to do. That also means I can get a job without getting someone's permission and whatever job I qualify for if I want it. I have my child with ME and can have an influence on his life, ME making choices in how to influence him.
Some people take things like this for granted not because they are bad, but because they have never known another way. Others think the laws of nature DO dictate the opposite of what i consider to be freedom. And even if I do believe in God, because of all that I've said above, i still have ended up in life sick and tired of people who bring religion into every tiny discussion. Yeah I get that they value that. I like marmite too but I don't go around making everybody eat it all the time.
It's a bit disjointed, sorry. I'm tired. 
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I disagree about moving the topic as freedom can pertain to more than just religion.
For me: I have the freedom to believe as I like and no one will come after me for doing or not doing something someone or other thinks I should or shouldn't be. (I mean fanatics from any quarter.)
And from that it means I have the freedom to walk out my front door every day and go where I believe I need to go to get the things done I need to do. That also means I can get a job without getting someone's permission and whatever job I qualify for if I want it. I have my child with ME and can have an influence on his life, ME making choices in how to influence him.
Some people take things like this for granted not because they are bad, but because they have never known another way. Others think the laws of nature DO dictate the opposite of what i consider to be freedom. And even if I do believe in God, because of all that I've said above, i still have ended up in life sick and tired of people who bring religion into every tiny discussion. Yeah I get that they value that. I like marmite too but I don't go around making everybody eat it all the time.
It's a bit disjointed, sorry. I'm tired.
Well maybe you should get some sleep, I was voicing my opinion and not looking for a riot.
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@ PP: here we go again with the double standard: you're just voicing your opinion but when I do it is a "riot"? I mentioned being tired to excuse any poor way I expressed myself, not for expressing myself in the first place, what you appear to be critisising.
I never wanted to say this but you remind me so much of many people of my childhood and growing years. Anytime someone said anything that didn't jive with what they postulated, they made it all about the other person and their faults in an attempt to silence them. And I get the impression that because you are Christian you think its not possible for you to be perceived as a fanatic. Before you get all bent out of shape: that's MY opinion. I'm not stating it as a hard fact or any truth. It's a perception and like it or not people other than you have them.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that other people have just as much right to express their opinions as you do? Moreover, when you say something and demand that people not reply back their own opinions, you're not too different from the people I mentioned above.
And in freedom I can express myself openly.
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@ PP: here we go again with the double standard: you're just voicing your opinion but when I do it is a "riot"? I mentioned being tired to excuse any poor way I expressed myself, not for expressing myself in the first place, what you appear to be critisising.
I never wanted to say this but you remind me so much of many people of my childhood and growing years. Anytime someone said anything that didn't jive with what they postulated, they made it all about the other person and their faults in an attempt to silence them. And I get the impression that because you are Christian you think its not possible for you to be perceived as a fanatic. Before you get all bent out of shape: that's MY opinion. I'm not stating it as a hard fact or any truth. It's a perception and like it or not people other than you have them.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that other people have just as much right to express their opinions as you do? Moreover, when you say something and demand that people not reply back their own opinions, you're not too different from the people I mentioned above.
And in freedom I can express myself openly.
As can I, I forgot how perfect you are, excuse me, Ms. Congeniality!
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*whispers* Well I don't understand what this topic does in the religion and beliefs channel either. I thought it was an interesting topic but now I see it got moved here i don't really feel the need or urge to answer anymore .... which is sad 
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Huh? No one has moved the topic anywhere, as far as I can see :S
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Yup; my bad: been a bit too hasty in my reading. Well let's just say then that I agree that it doesn't belong in religion and beliefs 
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As can I, I forgot how perfect you are, excuse me, Ms. Congeniality!
**Note to self: Stop talking to the bleeding wall!!**
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My most humblest of apologies to everyone on this topic. After talking to Jaya through private messaging, it seems that I have misinterpeted, her question. I thought she wanted to know about "freedom of nature". Again my apologies. 
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Accepted.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Freedom is the right to follow your dreams and live your live as you want to. Freedom should be a peaceful thing but it seems we go through so much and sacrifice many things we love to have it. But in the end it's always worth it because with freedom you can always gain back what you sacrificed.
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Issak
I don't much care for most of his work, but JS Mill's On Liberty is pretty good on this topic.
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"I pity people who don't drink. When they wake up feeling good in the morning, that is the best they are going to feel" Frank Sinatra
Freedom is the drive of nature, whilst this represents the condition of moral life. However, that faces the law of nature. Now, the problem is that freedom can't intervene everywhere as it would like. Reason, the hidden reason of nature, is an obstacle. If we want to break free from that, we are subject again to a subjugation of another law, the law of general moral world order, for what we have to sacrifice once again freedom. Fulfilling freedom would need a rational mind who is able to elevate the insight of law.
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"Chaos was the law of nature; order was the dream of man." (Henry Brooks Adams)
Pp that dude you quoted said the sun goes round the earth,is he for real?
Why is it that no one can ask a bloody question, on aany channel, withoot religion bein rammed doon their throat, an the fightin stars when you aw rise to it.
It's ridiculous.
freedom is to jus live your life with your own free will and not be worried about what is deemed right ....
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Freedom is an two faced object.
Everybody IS allready free (as long as their not captured as slaves etc.)
and then its a matter of the mental mind.. you can be free - without feeling free.
and the third thing is, what is freedom ? do you have to live without any rules, job, education etc. to be totaly free ?
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If the laws of nature appied to human freedom? i would forcibly breed with every woman who took my fancy...Right? WRONG!! When a female animal sees a male overpower all others and come to her ,she is WILLING because her nature tells her that he is the most fit genewise futurewise that is the animal kingdom..A human female is seldom driven by the same criteria..For her ,raw savagery = rape..the battle between males is one of finnding favour in her sight ,of wooing,,of allowing her to find out that he will be a good provider,,consideration,,caring for her,,wanting basically the same things (which could include the same religious beliefs,or lack thereof ) basically if i were free i would simply take what i wanted by force,but in the animal reserve the female is turned on by the male doing what is good in her sight,and the same it it is in the human world,they are just different worlds..This topic simply does not belong in the religion channel..
Freedom is a very general topic. Yes there is freedom in religion, but also freedom in every other aspect of our lives. Perfect channel for this topic. Freedom is to me, 'to be able to express oneself completely in any subject.'
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Failure can be divided into those who thought and never did and into those who did and never thought....
This topic would be served better in the Religion and Beliefs channel, as the answer pertains to religion.
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